Quote Originally Posted by camal
It sucks but honda will never get like that b/c most honda people are assholes.
That's certainly not the reason, dude. There are just as many VDub assholes as there are Honda assholes. It's just Honda tuning has been overplayed so many times you can't even go to sleep and dream about anything without a Civic buzzing by your dreamscape. You just don't see nicely done VDubs all that often. Later, QD.